{"id":83,"date":"2010-11-16T19:23:57","date_gmt":"2010-11-16T19:23:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.totallyguitars.com\/blog\/?p=83"},"modified":"2022-06-24T00:00:28","modified_gmt":"2022-06-24T00:00:28","slug":"a-little-mandolin-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/totallyguitars.com\/blog\/friends\/mike-mullins-interviews\/a-little-mandolin-music\/","title":{"rendered":"Mike Mullins Gives Us A Little Mandolin Music"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Mike Mullins Plays A Little Mandolin Music\" width=\"1140\" height=\"641\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/MeTVO-ZDOKw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Neil: Well we have here my friend Mike Mullins and we\u2019re looking at his other\u2026 His actual main<br \/>\ninstrument of choice is a Mandolin. He hasn\u2019t playing the Mandolin for\u2026 I don\u2019t know?! Mike? When did<br \/>\nyou just take up the Mandolin?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Oh, it\u2019s been at least 35 years now and I got\u2026 I think was 19 when I started or 21 when I started<br \/>\nplaying the Mandolin. I was a frustrated guitar player. So I just felt like I was stuck in one gear and I\u2019ve<br \/>\nheard some music. Some various types of music blue grass music, I\u2019d heard David Grisman who delivers<br \/>\ntime and music. Great Mandolin Player and I just became interested in that style. Plus I\u2019ve met a friend I<br \/>\nstill play with named Bill Gryphon in the cash valley gryptors who was the first really good mandolin<br \/>\nplayer I saw up-close and personal and I\u2019m just caught on fire about playing the Mandolin. So I started at<br \/>\nthat time and plus I\u2026 With the guitar I was just not progressing the way I wanted and so I kind of&#8230; I<br \/>\nnever really completely stop playing the guitar but I did gravitate toward the Mandolin and I found out<br \/>\nthat in some ways it came more naturally giving the guitar and plus the world has many Mandolin<br \/>\nplayers out there so something just a little different and it actually\u2026 Ultimately when I went back to the<br \/>\nguitar, I started playing more guitars it has helped. I found it to make my right hand stronger and more<br \/>\naccurate and I just\u2026. I was able to\u2026 You know, Even though the fingering was totally different, the time I<br \/>\nspent on the instrument was well spent and it actually made me better on guitar in the long run. I was\u2026<br \/>\nYou know I was always struggling that\u2026 (Laugh) When I was learning to flat it I was kind of struggling<br \/>\nwith my right hand on the guitar and when I got onto the Mandolin it was a very similar technique. That<br \/>\nit transfer back to the guitar pretty well. So yeah, I just really still enjoy this instrument quite a bit and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: \u2026and it\u2019s a lot of fun and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>So how\u2019s the tune?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well, it\u2019s tuned in 5th it\u2019s tuned the same as a violin. From the top down it\u2019s E-A-G and G and you<br \/>\njust\u2026 So there\u2019s 2 of each note though. You know, you can learn unison I mean people send them to do<br \/>\nit\u2019s called cross tuning where you\u2019re 2 in a string a different note and did a\u2026 (Guitar playing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: But I did a\u2026 So, I do a thing called split string where I use a nail to it (Guitar Playing) one of<br \/>\nthem. But generally they both threaded at the same time and that\u2019s\u2026 Kind of it gives a Mandolin its<br \/>\ncharacteristic sound as\u2026 If you were to string this which has one of these strings will sound really terrible<br \/>\nthat wouldn\u2019t be much terrible if something about having the tune was in strings together. There\u2019s<br \/>\nalmost the slight delay of the ear doesn\u2019t constantly pick up on but it gives the fullness you know (Guitar<br \/>\nPlaying) so with\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>It kind of built on tremolo of on the preserving sense because when you hit the 2 notes you<\/p>\n<p>really don\u2019t hit them exactly at the same time. So there\u2019s a slight delay.<\/p>\n<p>(Guitar Playing &#038; Voices Overlapping)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: There\u2019s a slight delay\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>That also means that\u2019s slightly out of place even though they\u2019re on the same notes. So\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Exactly.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s what you get with the double string like the 12 string guitar?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes you do and it just creates different\u2026 You know. Just a different I don\u2019t know?! It\u2019s just over<br \/>\ntones but it does do something with the sound where it just doesn\u2019t work really well to have just in a<br \/>\nsingle string so they\u2019re in courses. But I\u2019ve also known players who string the bottom two strings on<br \/>\noctaves so it sounds kind of like (Guitar playing) this tone. It\u2019s kind of what it sounds like.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: if you do that. But I\u2019ve never really done that and do that with the Mandola which is the<br \/>\ncounterpart of the Viola. It\u2019s slightly large in the Mandolin and it tuned 1\/5 lower. You got A-E-G and<br \/>\nthen there\u2019s C you know 1 octave below that C<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Alright.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: on the Mandola and I used to string that one in octaves as for the little strings that gave it kind<br \/>\nof a really interesting sound. But\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah. So you\u2026 Even those that register like the lowest string you have there. The G is the sound<br \/>\nof broken 3rd string on the guitar?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Exactly. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>And then the high E string is like the E in the 12th fret of the high E note.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes 1 octave above the E on the guitar ring.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. So the register is way above guitar range (Guitar Playing) yeah. So\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah it is. It\u2019s and again it\u2019s the same as the violin. It\u2019s the same tuning.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah. And then you do a lot of the same stuff. You do on a guitar\u2026 Like you played, you can play<br \/>\nrhythm you can play chords.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah,,,It\u2019s a little different technique on the guitar you\u2026 Especially in blue grass or folk and you<br \/>\ntend to use a lot open ringing kinds of chords you know. That resonate and on Mandolin you can do that<\/p>\n<p>too! Depending on the styles (Guitar Playing) that just open change chords (Guitar Playing) or A (Guitar<br \/>\nPlaying) on blue grass you might want the Mandolin is kind of the back beat you know\u2026 It\u2019s like kind of<br \/>\njust driving force behind of the basics that down downbeat that the Mandolin hits the backbeat so in<br \/>\nblue grass you tend to play more close position kinds of chords. You get that percussive effect where<br \/>\nyou\u2019re dumping the string. You\u2019re kind of holding this close position chords. This is going to be an A (ting<br \/>\nsound) and then (Guitar Playing) and that\u2019s kind of what you see a lot of in blue grass. You know, your<br \/>\nsort of squeezing and releasing on the neck too (strum) so you\u2019re not just going (Guitar Playing) this one.<\/p>\n<p>If you want percussive effect and that\u2019s kind in a rock soft done much slower than that.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: The backbeat it beats 2 and 4 of the measure. And that\u2019s what you are doing you\u2019re answering<br \/>\nthe base.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Exactly. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Just out of step with them. Answering \u201cbomp bomp\u201d it\u2019s the whole boom chop thing that you do.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It is.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s hard\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It\u2019s divided between the\u2026<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s the half of it.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s the chop.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It\u2019s the chop. This is the\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: The up chop, no\u2026 (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah So\u2026 And then you course play melodies on it. Cause\u2019 especially if its register it really cuts<br \/>\nthrough all the baseness of guitars and bases and all kind of the stuff.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>The Mandolin takes the melody\u2026 It\u2019s really clear\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah. Blue grass music was originated by Bill Monroe who first of the Mandolin player and he<br \/>\nkind of popularize the style of Mandolin. This is a Gibson Mandolin from the 1930s, 1937 actually and it\u2019s<br \/>\na model called an F7 and it has been remapped many years ago a longer F5 style which is the\u2026 You<br \/>\nknow, I can get in all the Gibson and nomenclature. But basically this Mandolin was converted to an F5<\/p>\n<p>an F7 is a slightly shorter neck. You know, it joins the body in the different spot\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Oh\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And 12th fret instead of 15th. But the problem with those instruments is\u2026 It put the bridge on<br \/>\nthe wrong place. On this F-hole Mandolin is the bridges was truly located centrally on the top right<br \/>\naround the point of these F-holes and with the shorter neck with the joints lower down the neck. The<br \/>\nbridge had to be here\u2026 Well that generally didn\u2019t sound very good. So, some of these were converted.<br \/>\nPeople aren\u2019t doing that anymore cause\u2019 it kind of ruins the collectability factor. But that made it the<br \/>\nbetter sounding instrument. It was like this one. I got it\u2026 I got this one in 1991 and I just love the way it<br \/>\nsounds. You know, I\u2019ve had others\u2026 But this is the one I kept and yeah\u2026 I kind of lost the trail of your<br \/>\nquestion there. You know I started\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>It was playing chords in the rule of the boom chuck thing?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah. (Guitar playing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m talking about that. Even in the first place the melody on it was the\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: And you know blue grass is to\u2026 (Guitar playing) when you take the melody it\u2019s really up in the<br \/>\nhigh register and then they just stand out from all the\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well yeah\u2026 You can do you know (Guitar Playing) and then you can do (strum) Ah gosh! Yeah the<br \/>\nlowest you can get was G (Guitar Playing) you kind of use this as a drawn but generally you\u2019re doing a lot<br \/>\nof stuff a neck you know\u2026 (Guitar Playing) But\u2026 Yeah\u2026 The high notes do kind of stand out. It is the high<br \/>\ninstrument with the highest register it\u2019s like you know a bit old\u2026 You know\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>(Agreed)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: But the flap\u2026 Flap instruments, this is the one that gets you up there as high as you can get.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And gets rise\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Is there much\u2026 What\u2019s out there for solo Mandolin?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well, solo Mandolin. There\u2019s\u2026 there\u2019s a whole style of Mandolin playing originating when<br \/>\nMandolins are very very popular during about\u2026 The World War 1 era and before where there was like a<br \/>\ndu\u2026 It\u2019s called a duo style where you kind of get a (Guitar Playing) it almost sound like 2 instruments<br \/>\nstring. You\u2019re just doing kind of alternating tremble of thing with a string that\u2019s below it. But I play a few<br \/>\nsolo pieces. Generally I\u2019ve been working on ensemble player but its fun to do some things as far as solo<br \/>\nstuff. I play a little tiny bit of something I don\u2019t know which time we have. I\u2019m just a too little\u2026 Wanting<br \/>\nto do a little sample\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Sure, take your time.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well, this is what everyone\u2019s hearing I think and I kind of arrange this. Well, I loosely arrange it<br \/>\nfor a solo Mandolin it\u2019s something you can do with a beside stick to stay doing a little tune\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: So\u2026 And it incorporates that (strum) split string technique I was talking about. (Guitar Playing) so<br \/>\nthat one basically\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Oh my God&#8211;. That\u2019s stunning! Absolutely stunning!<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: There\u2019s guys out there who are really good at that style. I\u2019m sort of just a neophyte at only very<br \/>\nrecently I\u2019ve been trying to do stuff like that\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: You know I\u2019ve\u2026 Cause\u2019 most of my kind of play are kind of blue grass and contemporary styles on<br \/>\nthe Mandolin and we have some little swing music just\u2026 You know, just I\u2019m very heavily to David<br \/>\nGrisman.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And then there\u2019s other players too\u2026 There\u2019s a&#8230; You know the\u2026 There\u2019s Sam Bush, and Christy<br \/>\nLee, And you know\u2026 Adam Steffey and John Reischman. These are all stellar players there in styles but<br \/>\nnow was music guy named Evan Marshall who does great solo work. I mean, he did\u2026 Swear it\u2019s like 2 or<br \/>\n3 instruments playing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And you know\u2026 But that\u2026 You know I\u2019m using the pick along with my (ting sound) my middle<br \/>\nfinger that kind of\u2026<\/p>\n<p>I saw you do that you know you\u2019re basically\u2026 There was something picking in there.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>It cause of almost a double stop type of ideas but\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah and my nail broke the other day so it\u2019s like&#8230; It\u2019s not quite as even as it could be but you<br \/>\nknow so that\u2026 That\u2019s a kind of stuff I\u2019m sort of fooling around with an hour were things like that. But<br \/>\ngenerally I do a lot of\u2026 A lot of feltings type. Suppose I love the playing I much love playing the feltings<br \/>\nlike playing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I like playing blue grass. I like\u2026 I just like sitting around playing with people who were even not<\/p>\n<p>playing blue grass\u2026 You know, they\u2019re gonna\u2019 just doing a regular contemporary song and all just playing<br \/>\nMandolins was just a lot of fun.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: So, this is a\u2026 Mandolin has been kind of a\u2026 It has helped me to make me a better guitar player<br \/>\nand you know\u2026 Kind of at a time I just often wondered if I hadn\u2019t taken with the Mandolin if I wouldn\u2019t<br \/>\ngotten frustrated enough to even actually stop playing the guitar for awhile.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Wow.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I don\u2019t know. It really\u2026 it was an inspiring instrument to take up and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And a lot of really great players out there right now who taking up this instrument and getting it<br \/>\ntaken in places where it hasn\u2019t been in about 80 years because\u2026 Where&#8230;. You know, beyond blue grass<br \/>\nI mean and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>So it was\u2026 It came. I mean it was used in Italy obviously around World War 1 before\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well yeah. There was the Gush Back in the middle times. There was an instrument called a<br \/>\nMandola which is the pre-course of the Mandolin and then the Neapolitan style of Mandolin is the rib<br \/>\nbullback model. You know they have a very sweet sound. Better for you know\u2026 Like a\u2026 More like<br \/>\nclassical music like you can find in classical recordings of players using the old bullbacks. And then the<br \/>\nGibson Company started making them carved Mandolins in the late 1800s and they were built more on<br \/>\nviolin principles.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: First with an oval sound holes and then in the early 20s Gibson\u2026 There was engineering Lloyd<br \/>\nLore along\u2026 Either other people involved in this two but they thought: \u201cWhy not take the violin<br \/>\nprinciples\u201d step further and will use F-holes and we\u2019ll have a can\u2019t deliver finger board that is actually not<br \/>\nattached to the top. Like a violin it\u2019s elevated it doesn\u2019t touch the top. So the top can vibrate more freely<br \/>\nand\u2026 So, they came up with this concept. And actually there was a company. There was a Mandolin from<br \/>\nabout 1913 that have F-holes, a little company called shoot or shot (Chutt or Chutt) I don\u2019t know how to<br \/>\npronounce it\u2019s like C-H-U-T-T and it have the sort of an A-style you know\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Tear drop\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: tear drop shape Mandolin with F-holes. The great very small numbers. I do actually see one for<br \/>\nsale recently on some website and that was really interesting piece of history cause\u2019 Gibson is kind of<br \/>\nincredible with the F-hole style. The F-hole style Mandolin kind of\u2026 Gibson Mandolin a lot of depth and<br \/>\nof penetrating quality. Much like an Archtop guitar, very percussive.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Cause\u2019 the top vibrates differently for certain kinds of music around all Mandolin is better. A lot<br \/>\nof Irish and old time musicians perform the round hole sound. It\u2019s a very. It\u2019s a very very open sound.<\/p>\n<p>Probably little more sustain on those\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Absolutely more sustain (Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s what you get with this (strum) a quick attack\u2026 In a quick to K.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>on Archtop Guitar.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Pretty much. It\u2019s similar. I think these are little more versatile, they\u2019re louder, and that if you try<br \/>\nto play blue grass on a round hole Mandolin the chop chord is we called them (Guitar Playing) It don\u2019t<br \/>\nreally stand out. They get kind of muffle. But that was not really what they\u2019re for and\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Alright.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And when they were invented, blue grass music didn\u2019t exist.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Right. (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And when these were invented. They were\u2026 The style\u2026 They were generally regarded to be<br \/>\norchestral type instruments for playing classical music and to be a solo instrument and ensemble. The<br \/>\nMandolin orchestra is the very popular until about 1920. And shortly after that this Mandolin style came<br \/>\nabout. It was kind of ironic at the time. Nobody wanted them because the Mandolin boom, ended about<br \/>\n1921 and this Mandolin came in the\u2026 Being about 1922. So they built the greatest Mandolin known to<br \/>\nman generally.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That acknowledges the F5 style is the ultimate mandolin at the time when nobody wanted<br \/>\nMandolins. Nobody is playing Mandolins anymore and\u2026 So it was just a little bit\u2026 After its time, I mean it<br \/>\nwas like nobody wanted it. It was like George Green I think said that you can. You know, you<br \/>\ncan\u2026 \u201cInvent the greatest buggy whip in the world but nobody\u2019s going to want it after the motor car was<br \/>\ninvented or people stopped.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: You know\u2026 It was in restaurant carriages but that one Bill Monroe came along and\u2026<\/p>\n<p>So when was that?<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: 19\u2026 Well, in the 30s he began experimenting with it. With different kinds of music. He had a<br \/>\nsound in mind but he wasn\u2019t sure at that time what it was going to\u2019 be. But when he bought his F5<br \/>\nMandolin as a used instrument in 1941 and pretty much used that to define his sound.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Hmmm\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike\u201d Then these Mandolins become popular again at least among you know\u2026 Blue grass players and<br \/>\nthen in the other styles of music I mean this type was. This is the kind, you kind of seen most often as far<br \/>\nas the modern Mandolin is this style. And there are other builders who modify the body style of it but it\u2019s<br \/>\ngenerally the same sort of construction, archtop with F-holes.<\/p>\n<p>Ahmm\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And the oval sound hole once were still very much involved to. If you want, if you want it more<br \/>\nopen old time, a kind of sound\u2026 A rug tiny kind of thing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I\u2019ve got one at home it\u2019s very nice from 1923.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: The an A style\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah. You know cause\u2019 I know a record held a long time ago was a bunch of classical music it\u2019s<br \/>\nwritten in Beethoven wrote some stuff of the Mandolin<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It did? Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>And Vivaldi he did\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah?<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>I think that was 200 years ago and so\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Guitar Playing) absolutely yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Beethoven knows the Mandolin. He used to play it you know\u2026 There\u2019s a couple things on it.<br \/>\nYeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Ha. Oh yeah. So that\u2019s kind of different way back. So, I didn\u2019t realize that blue grass as we now<br \/>\nknow it was even that new. I mean that obviously grew out of shunting kind of music to reserve its style.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It didn\u2019t. It did a mapped music\u2026<\/p>\n<p>and it record folk music?<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: and, and\u2026 You know but for blue grass there was occurred of family and there were some. There<br \/>\nwere kinds of some old time string bands\u2026 That were, you know country music started getting as they<br \/>\nknew of them. Starting getting popular in the 20s, you know you had Jimmy Rogers the singing brave<\/p>\n<p>man. You have the various cowboys singers like Gina Laughtry and Roy Rogers and these&#8230; Well yeah<br \/>\nkind of out grows of country or mountain music at the time and then Bill Monroe was kind of<br \/>\nassimilating all of these&#8230; And he also listens to listen like blue singers you know\u2026 African-American blue<br \/>\nsingers at the time and he incorporated some of that into his music. There\u2019s a lot of blue, it\u2019s in blue<br \/>\ngrass and he experimenting with like\u2026 He had an accordion for awhile he had various different<br \/>\ninstruments and then. But when he started playing his F5 Mandolin&#8230; Is kind of when you know\u2026 He<br \/>\nwent off of his own\u2026 You know his brother Charlie had a band for during the 30s and then they stop<br \/>\nplaying together who I think kind of a falling out\u2026 (Laugh) And then its smooth sound was defined on F5<br \/>\nMandolin\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Okay. Yeah. (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: So&#8230; (Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>So that really just as World War 2?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah! Relatively\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>it\u2019s kind of what\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: and music. And then other players, other musicians started you know playing blue grass.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Alright\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And then also.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So when people like Grisman come along and kind of modify it and make it half jazzy and half<br \/>\nswing&#8230; And that kind of stuff at this point that\u2019s been around for\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>So that was the 70s?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah I know\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Early 70s he was doing that so it was not&#8230; It wasn\u2019t like he\u2019s taking a 100 year old tradition and<br \/>\nweakened it and he has taken a 30 year old tradition.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>or he\u2019s even 20 by the time and he was messing around and they\u2019re only been around\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah, I mean he started playing in the early 60s and you know&#8230; Or maybe a little before that but<br \/>\nhe was totally into Bill Monroe and there\u2019s another Mandolin player name Frank Wakefield who was<br \/>\nkind of a Monroe disciple\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Oh yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Who Grisman was really into and.. And then someone in the late 60s started kind of doing his<br \/>\nown thing and writing things that were sort of blue grass like but they had&#8230; You know, they had Leonore<br \/>\nWilson skills and you did normally hear in blue grass\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: and out of that came. You know, for like a better tune of old music like which is kind of out of his<br \/>\nnickname. You know, and there was this music he was writing and performing with acoustic instruments<br \/>\nbut no one really knew what to call it. You know, it wasn\u2019t really jazz it wasn\u2019t really blue grass it wasn\u2019t<br \/>\nreally film music it had a swing to it too. It had a\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It combined elements of like Django Reinhardt along with you know things you\u2019d hear maybe a<br \/>\nblue grass and some of it are very blue grass and some of it more jazzy. And\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Alright.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: and there was&#8230; Technically a catch of raise were\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Many of it a lot of in Latin influences a lot of like Sambas.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And different meters that dumped here in folk music and so just became encapsulated of dot<br \/>\nmusic.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Laughing)<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s really neat and really\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Guitar Playing) I listen to a lot of that for years and tried doing how to play it with varying<br \/>\ndegrees of success and failure (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Well because honestly harmonically it\u2019s a lot more complex than blue grass stuff.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Oh yeah, yeah\u2026 You know, you know it could be \u2026<\/p>\n<p>artistically and everything\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah. You know it\u2019s a\u2026 It\u2019s hard. It\u2019s almost as hard in a way that just to play Monroe style really<br \/>\nright and as it is to play you know like Grisman\u2019s style with its more ornamented stuff you know. It\u2019s just<br \/>\nkind of whatever style it is you know to do it really well requires a lot of work. Even one might sound<br \/>\nharder than another in you know\u2026 Some styles might be easier to get into you know like\u2026 It might be<\/p>\n<p>easier to get into a Monroe style initially than to play something that\u2019s really out there that has like. Like<br \/>\nlines in it that it would be sound at home and trying to practice with saxophone. So Something like that.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah. I didn\u2019t even notice to play an earlier sign or playing the earlier second. You know that<br \/>\nwhen we\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Laugh)<\/p>\n<p>Neil: just took a little bit of a lead. 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Jessie McReynolds is a\u2026<\/p>\n<p>I was going to say is a Van Halo style\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Guitar Playing) (Laugh) yeah\u2026 Maybe!<\/p>\n<p>Because it\u2019s Arpeggios<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah I was talking of\u2026<\/p>\n<p>And then using cross string things. To while change or something like that.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah. One string still ringing while you\u2019re fretting the next one\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: On Mandolin works out really well in just with the notes really. You know stand out. It give this<br \/>\ninstrument one thing it does not have is sustained. The only way to get a really sustained note is to do a<br \/>\nreally sustained note is doing a tremolo which (guitar playing)<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Which (Guitar Playing) and it\u2019s fine but you\u2019re not going to be able to hit them&#8230; Like on a violin<br \/>\nyou can do a big long bow and<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And in guitar. A guitar is an\u2026. Naturally more sustained than a Mandolin\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Especially in the electric guitar you\u2019ll just hit a note and you will go forever. But on a Mandolin<br \/>\nthe only thing to make it happen\u2026 Sort of an illusion of sustain\u2026 Cause\u2019 you\u2019re really doing the (Guitar<br \/>\nPlaying)<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Guitar Playing) you\u2019re just hitting a note that\u2019s trying to die\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: on you repeatedly. You know there\u2019s always trying to wake the thing up and then you get this<br \/>\n(Guitar Playing) there\u2019s no way to really get the sound (hum) one of this continuous thing\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: You know. You result some kind of artificial\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Sometimes on the guitar (Guitar playing) you can make something really dramatic because of<br \/>\n(beep) whoa! You can make stuff really dramatic because of how it decays\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Right. And by stretching out the time a little bit or something. But I don\u2019t know, even though<br \/>\nyou\u2019re doing a rainbow a lot of times you would do a little similar things in there and as it got a little<br \/>\nmore\u2026 You might slow down with a little bit and you will get a little softer so create that. Or you know,<br \/>\nyou can really create almost that type of delaying decay too.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah and part of the Mandolin\u2019s charm is the tremolo of\u2026 I mean&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Every cheesy Mandolin song ever written is got the tremolo of. You know.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: You have the (Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil: I think if you took that tremolo of effect and applied it to something like Iron man<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Laughing)<\/p>\n<p>this is how it will \u201cblum blum blum\u201d (Man making sounds)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah\u2026 ( Laughing)<\/p>\n<p>or what is that old? Smoke in the water of choosing my classic rock taste<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>(Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Piece of the end part there\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>(Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m playing it a little right key\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>(Laughing) can you actually do that in G.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Oh yes in G. Okay. (Strum)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>No that\u2019s okay. (Guitar Playing) That is still perfect.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah?<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Way perfect enough.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>For a using one or\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That was in the\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Exclusion.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (Laughing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So anyway\u2026 Well, officially that\u2019s kind of fun stuff thanks for taking your time to tell us about<br \/>\nyour real\u2026 Your most loved instrument probably.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well, no problem should I play something to take obscene of\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah! What do you got?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Well, obscene of I\u2019ll do\u2026 I\u2019ll do a little tune here with really full of green correct name. That I like<br \/>\nto play on a Mandolins of called \u201cColored Aristocracies\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Oh yeah\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It\u2019s a (strum)<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>I see a finger picking version of you of that\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Did you really? Wow!<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That\u2019s great! You should play that\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. But I picked up out of my head (Guitar Playing) you know in the first I got right.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: It\u2019s not pretty right timing guitar by stopping in the grocery when it got me some kind of the<br \/>\nfinger picking\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Cool! I wanted you to do that.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s like little tunes&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah it is.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Yeah so&#8230; I should. You know I just want to thank you Mike for coming out\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: and then visiting with us today and bringing out his cool Mandolin who were just to make guitar<br \/>\nstuff and things too so will take us out. We\u2019ll see more of totally guitars I\u2019m sure\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Mike: It\u2019s been truly enjoyable, thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Neil:<\/p>\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I have something to contribute\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Neil: This is great! And yeah go ahead take your shot with \u201cColored Aristocracies\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Okay (Guitar Playing)<\/p>\n<p>Mike Mullins thanks a lot!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Neil: Well we have here my friend Mike Mullins and we\u2019re looking at his other\u2026 His actual main instrument of choice is a Mandolin. He hasn\u2019t playing the Mandolin for\u2026 I don\u2019t know?! Mike? When did you just take up the Mandolin? 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