{"id":150,"date":"2010-12-02T17:50:20","date_gmt":"2010-12-02T17:50:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.totallyguitars.com\/blog\/?p=150"},"modified":"2022-06-24T00:27:47","modified_gmt":"2022-06-24T00:27:47","slug":"intro-and-mason-william","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/totallyguitars.com\/blog\/friends\/mike-mullins-interviews\/intro-and-mason-william\/","title":{"rendered":"Intro And Mason Williams"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Neil Hogan &amp; Mike Mullins Part 7 - Intro To Music &amp; Mason Williams\" width=\"1140\" height=\"641\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/3V3P7MruPmU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Neil: Well I&#8217;m here with the person I&#8217;ve known longest in my life, other than anybody in my family. Mike<br \/>\nand I met, it&#8217;s Mike Mullins. We met, when we were teenagers and we&#8217;ll minimally try to figure out like<br \/>\nwhen was that exactly. How long exactly &#8230;but the one that&#8230;, when did you started playing the guitar?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I started playing when I was like, my first time was 10. I am interested at since i was 9. You know<br \/>\nwe grown up around the house listening with a lot of ahm hope to music. Remember the<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Kicks and trill and stuff?<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes Martin ,he was the great folk music scare of the1960s.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes,Kicks and Trill, Lime Lighters, peter &#8230; mary. ohm,you know<\/p>\n<p>Neil:..<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Exactly yeah. And some Allan Sherman records&#8230;(laughs) I can&#8217;t believed it. My son is a folk<br \/>\nsinger.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: So I can have this kind of ringing around at my head with this sound of acoustic guitars but I didn&#8217;t<br \/>\nknow it is interesting and then I saw the Beetles and The Ed Sullivan show and somewhere out love it<br \/>\nand then you know&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: And then get serious about this.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That I wanna play the guitar and my parents kinda just, they have a bad experience with my<br \/>\nbrother playing the trumpet. And so you know, it just that so they got him the trumpet and he would sit<br \/>\nthere in his room driving his own nuts.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike:&#8230;.sort of emanating from the intersanctum and anyway the guitar they figure out what harm can<br \/>\ndo the guitar so yeah when I was 10 and started taking the basic guitar method.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Oh so you&#8217;re taking lessons like once a week, taking from the teacher<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yes taking lessons from a guy named George Long on randalina has a music store in&#8230; and<br \/>\nCalifornian and he was a great teacher and he&#8217;s in Oklahoma and he smoke like a chimney and he cough<br \/>\nall the time and eventually, unfortunately like 6 mons of taking lessons he has poor health and gave up<br \/>\nhis store and unfortunately that&#8217;s was the end of my learning to read and I started playing by year after<\/p>\n<p>that I didn&#8217;t have any foundation&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So you at least have enough of a foundation though to be able to take it a step further<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Neil: You&#8217;ll knew that ok this looks higher than this one or whatever and then you can figured out how<br \/>\nto play an audio and some chords stuff.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I had a guitar teacher none of them really stuck you know and basically ruined you know I get<br \/>\nchord books and stuff but I wasn&#8217;t very good but I mostly played by ear, I would just listen to records<br \/>\nand try and learn what was on there.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And I develop an ear in a way it\u2019s kind of a double edge sort of, because I sort of lost the thread if<br \/>\nI took half of this assistance I didn&#8217;t from their I did not it\u2019s you that can hym build a knowledge music<br \/>\ntheory and made music.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: We&#8217;ll I was always fascinated by that I mean it just suck me and the whole, I&#8217;ve always been<br \/>\nfascinated by Math and puzzles and logic.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: This time for music to me was just like another, was a big little puzzle to solve.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That sense an idea. That&#8217;s a tremendous tool I have in your arsenal and wish I had kinda gone<br \/>\nthat way but i was kinda do it right not to believe you guys will..(laughs), but yeah and then we met.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Well that we&#8217;re on next, so you were ahm, I definitely met you at so &#8230;it was a camp for teenagers<br \/>\nor I don&#8217;t know, I was probably, I was trying to figure out even the first year i was with you&#8217;ve been<br \/>\nthere or you have longer than I am.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I went there when i was 10 years old.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Or nine. My Sister was a counselor, my brother is a dishwasher and yes I was nine by 1964 and I<br \/>\ncame to you in recovery year but I think we met about &#8217;69.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah I think, I was trying to figure out the first year I was there if maybe in &#8217;69 or maybe in &#8217;68.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: I can&#8217;t remember but<\/p>\n<p>Mike: we met each other in &#8217;68.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Oh, maybe.<\/p>\n<p>Mike:: I was only there in &#8217;68, I was there only 2 weeks and that was my shortest \u2026<\/p>\n<p>I was all there all summer. My parents got rid of me through the whole summer and &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: it is a &#8230;session. (laughs)&#8230; that would have been the last session&#8230; T<\/p>\n<p>And I think that may have been, I may have been that year in the &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I think you&#8217;re in an earlier year. We miss each other that year.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: But &#8217;69, &#8230; knew it was &#8217;69 ah because I was trying to remember this morning, what I can remember<br \/>\nabout you is I wanted to camp. I remember watching the moon landing at camp.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: yes.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So that was like my first camp. Remember, may not be the first year that I was there, but I do<br \/>\nremember that I could at least pin down okay, summer \u201869 I was at camp.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: You brought that little black and white thing in the dining hall.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: That was only the time I was gonna recall seeing a television there. &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: I know. Whatever he wants..<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah, he&#8217;s started on like next to the big Jackson pastry dishwasher.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: and just sitting on the ..<\/p>\n<p>Neil: we&#8217;re very, Mike and I we&#8217;re there as dishwashers. We couldn\u2019t afford to full race. So we will be in<br \/>\nthere for half a price as long as we wash the dishes every meal. So now that was the only thing we got to<br \/>\nknow each other.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: As my dad want to build my character to a .. . It was not really that bad.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So I can still remember the, there was this music contingent you know and I can&#8217;t remember how<br \/>\nyou and Chris Clark and who was the other one? I think it was him.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Chris Clark was the guy&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: He&#8217;s older than you.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: yeah, He was a couple of years older than and he&#8217;s ah, I he has a great acoustic guitar and he<br \/>\nknew lot of songs and used kind of you know and just he knew lot of songs that I wanted to learn.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah I remember the first time I heard a song like For What is Worth<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And he is a better guitar player than I was because he played the guitar a little longer and he&#8217;s an<br \/>\nolder guy. He&#8217;s voice are actually changing to sing.(laughs) And yeah, he was there, I kinda hang out with<br \/>\nhim.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And he was wanting to put up with us<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah it was. I remember, I definitely remember you know, a couple of years younger than all of you<br \/>\nguys. And Ah, but I didn&#8217;t see my guitar 6:09 become musical bodies eventhough there was little bit of<br \/>\nage difference.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah, I was, were you being aware age term hearing you play in doing the finger stuffs already<br \/>\nand commit as fascinating and eventually I become frustrated with being instyle for myself. It seems I<br \/>\nam always stuck in just one gear. You know I can do the James Taylor thing but as far as like when you<br \/>\nstarted playing all the box up and you know what I&#8217;m not into bluegrass and started to learn play. I&#8217;m<br \/>\nplaying mandolin too but yeah I remember you&#8217;re playing like some theme called shades of punk.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Oh men. That is on the site now. I was like save the funk There was like the first thing to pick the<br \/>\nsong I learn. (playing guitar)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Neil: And I was always mesmerized with songs I wanted to learn like Black Bird and Simply Chris or you<br \/>\nmight have a little to handle on what&#8217;s going on on black bird.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I learned that. Actually, an open tuning. I can&#8217;t remember and now it was not the way it was<br \/>\nplayed<\/p>\n<p>Neil: No. It is a liitle bit easy and it&#8217;s open G tune.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah I think that&#8217;s how I learned it and yeah I wanted to learn that\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: 7:19<\/p>\n<p>Mike: But I&#8217;m worrying playing that shade of punk and had that alternating baseline when I&#8217;m trying to<br \/>\nthat somehow it&#8217;s gonna turn around and then<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Man 2: and then I just you know sort of riding into a hole. But<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: As it commence it got it really played.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: (laughs) Aha<\/p>\n<p>Neil: I remember trying to work out stuff like Angie. I&#8217;ve never either you or Chris messing with Angie.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I am sure you will with Angie<\/p>\n<p>Neil: 7:36 I Have this really cool. (playing guitar)<\/p>\n<p>Mike: yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Keep that kind base single. And there was also just out of the time that was not gonna be it was<br \/>\nclassical jazz and then I think I gotta learn how to play that someday or something you know. So that\u2019s<br \/>\nwhat the huge influence on that and doing it at the sametime.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah I was in the campfire this was recording the second cd we did is about the late 90s. It was in<br \/>\nthe Sanford valley it\u2019s kind of reap&#8230;this little home studio and this older guy he was up one day he just<br \/>\nhanging out and was just listening he was like holding a book and we came out of the blue and doing<br \/>\nsomething and Rick it\u2019s like had Mason Williams I mean there buddies or something&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Wow<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I mean Rick with all these people down there and he was like &#8216;Oh My God&#8217; like you know playing<br \/>\nguitar and Mason Williams is out here.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah you know<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: He was nice he was complementary and stuff plus I was trying to do fingerstyle stuff (laughing)<\/p>\n<p>Neil: You know I got really neat correspondents for him for a couple of years ago.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Really&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: He sent me,,, copy of his own book (background strumming), that has all of his own and stuff in it<br \/>\nand I&#8217;ve sent him some of my own albums. I was actually trying to coarse him into come in down here<br \/>\nand do a concert with, with sort of my you know so I contact him I love to know he&#8217;ll doing this shows<br \/>\non&#8230;and stuff&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Neil: He lives in Jean, Oregon<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Oh you do&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Neil: And I sent to him my album and a little bit of what I did, you know I heard back from few months<\/p>\n<p>ago he was really complementary with the albums it was really neat you know&#8230;I loved listening to his<br \/>\nstuff it so cool and things like that.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Wonderful<\/p>\n<p>Neil: So its kind of need to get the nod from&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Coz I really look at Classical Jazz as the greatest guitar piece that have written for couple of reason<br \/>\nI mean there are a lot of others, but from a pop culture point of view its mainstream its everybodys<br \/>\nheard I mean&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I loved it,,, everybody I mean I wait for it to come on the radio.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah<\/p>\n<p>Mike: I don&#8217;t have the record but I just would you know. Everytime it came on I turn off the volume<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: And I tried to learn how to play it too and it&#8217;s never not much pass,,,first couple of measures<\/p>\n<p>Neil: Yes its tricky.<\/p>\n<p>Mike: Its harder than i sounds.<\/p>\n<p>Neil: it is because it&#8217;s not a normal fingerpicking piece, it&#8217;s more of a Classical guitar piece, it&#8217;s got. 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